Journal Institution of Locomotive Engineers
Volume 43 (1953)
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Journal No.231.
Den Hollander, F.Q. (Sir Seymour Biscoe Tritton Lecture).
Efficiency in the choice and application of locomotives. 12-28.
Special General Meeting held at the Institution of Mechanical Engineers,
Westminster on 5 March 1953 at 5.30 p.m., at which The Sir Seymour Biscoe
Tritton Lecture was delivered: President, Mr. C.M. Cock was in the
Chair.
The Netherlands Railways. choice of motive power was based on the need for
increased productivity and to reduce fuel costs. There was a high demand
for passenger travel, and this was best met by electric multiple units which
afforded high acceleration. On a few less intensive services diesel electric
multiple units could provide the same degree of acceleration and afford
comparable passenger comfort. On lines with very light traffic diesel railcars
were used. Electrtic locomotives, which lacked the high rate of acceleration
could be used on freight at night and on long distance pasenger services
with few stops. It was considered that electric traction made the most effective
use of fuel, most of which had to be imported into Holland.
Marsh, S.W. (Paper 518)
Recent developments in the use of rubber in railway engineering. 30-60. Disc.:
60-83.
General Meeting held at the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, London,
on Wednesday 17 December 1952 at 5.30 p.m.: Mr. R.C. Bond, Vice-President,
occupying the Chair who apologised on behalf of the President who was absent
abroad,.
Author was Chief Engineer, Andre Rubber Company,
Showed the general made in the use of rubber in the Railway Industry in the
last ten to fifteen years. It is confined solely to Locomotives, Carriages
and Wagons and does not cover signalling and permanent way. It is not intended
to include normal buffing and drawgear springs or auxiliary bearing springs,
as such details have already been covered in past papers, and their use in
the railway field is now well known.
1 . lntroduction.
2. The general advance which has been made in the compounding of rubbers,
including use of the well-known synthetics, also bonding techniques.
3. General explanation regarding the design of rubber mechanical units, including
some already in general use.
4. Units now under consideration and the trend in modern design work
today.
Robertson, A.S. (Paper No. 519)
Limitations of acceleration and braking with electric traction: a study of
the limitations imposed on performance by wheel to rail adhesion and electric
traction equipment during acceleration and braking. 85-115. Disc.: 115-49.
General Meeting held at the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, London
on Wednesday 14 January 1953 at 5.30 p.m., Mr. C.M. Cock, President, occupying
the Chair.
Even on well maintained track, it is probable that small irregularities will
initiate wheel slip, particularly when working at high speed and high tractive
effort. Adhesion values up to and, above 20% can be obtained even at high
speeds, but the probability of obtaining such a high figure at high speed
is uncertain and depends to a large extent on the state of the track.
Journal No. 232
Bond, R.C. (Paper No. 520)
Organisation and control of locomotive repairs on British Railways. 175-216.
Disc.: 217-65+5 folding plates. (incl. 2 col.). 6 iIlus., 4 diagrs., 11 tables.
Forty-second Annual General Meeting. held on 18 March 1953. President
introduced Mr. R.C. Bond.
Main aim was to increase locomotive availability. Defined the classification
of repairs into "heavy" and "light". Selection of locomotives for repair.
Includes mileage/overhaul statistics for several classes as shown below.
AVERAGE MILEAGE BETWEEN PERIODICAL REPAIRS OF PRINCIPAL REGIONAL
TYPES OF LOCOMOTIVES
| Region | Class of locomotive | Average mileage between periodical repairs |
| L.M. | 4-6-2 "Coronation" | 73,188 |
| 4-6-0 "Royal Scots" (taper boiler) and 5X conversions | 70,495 |
|
| 4-6-0 Class 5 | 56,969 |
|
| 4-6-0 Class 5 with manganese steel liners | 97,291 |
|
| 2-8-0 Class 8 | 50,361 |
|
| 2-6-4T Class 4 | 55,579 |
|
| 2-6-4T Class 4 with manganese steel liners | 79,361 |
|
| 2-6-0 Class 4 | 90,663 |
|
| 2-6-0 Class 2 | 104,304 |
|
| 2-6-2T Class 2 | 83,155 |
|
| E./N.E. | 4-6-2 Al | 93,363 |
| 4-6-2 A2 | 85,671 |
|
| 4-6-2 A3 | 83,574 |
|
| 4-6-2 A4 | 86,614 |
|
| 4-6-0 Bl | 78,396 |
|
| 2-8-0 01 | 55,616 |
|
| 2-8-0 WD | 62,624 |
|
| 2-6-2 V2 | 77,892 |
|
| 2-6-2T VI | 66,242 |
|
| 2-6-2T V3 | 66,821 |
|
| 2-6-4T L1 | 67,213 |
|
| Western | 4-6-0 " King" | 78,987 |
| 4-6-0 "Castle" | 87,424 |
|
| 4-6-0 "Hall" | 87,942 |
|
| 4-6-0 "County" | 87,588 |
|
| 2-8-0 28XX | 86,981 |
|
| 2-6-2T 3150-81XX | 71,720 |
|
| Southern | 4-6-2 "Merchant Navy" | 75,687 |
| 4-6-2 "West Country" and "Battle of Britain" | 74,650 |
|
| 4-6-0 "Lord Nelson" | 81,611 |
|
| 4-6-0 "King Arthur" | 70,995 |
|
| 4-4-0 "Schools" | 69,851 |
|
| 2-6-0 "N" | 53,852 |
|
| 2-6-0 "U" | 68,941 |
A period in months since previous shop repairs was laid down for each class which, casualties excepted, had to elapse before locomotives were considered for shop repairs. This period was based on past experience, having regard to the nature of the service and the annual mileage the locomotives were running. Typical periods laid down for the then new BR standard locomotives were as follows:-
Class 7 4-6-2 15 months
Class 6 4-6-2 18 months
Class 5 4-6-0 24 months
Class 4 4-6-0 28 months
Class 4 2-6-0 30 months
Class 2 2-6-0 36 months
Class 4 2-6-4T 28 months
Class 3 2-6-2T 33 months
Class 2 2-6- 2T 36 months
Consideration was given to the different practices adopted by the
pre-nationalisation companies. Examination of locomotives coming in for overhaul
was considered to be very important. The limits of wear were considered.
The provision of spares was very important, especially boilers. Costing and
efficiency were significant.
Discussion: Opened by R.A. Riddles (pp. 217-18)
who criticised the 85% availability target and considered that it should
be much higher. Noted Bond's contribution to workshop efficiency in Scotland.
Stanier (218-19) noted how efficiency at Crewe had been
greatly enhanced through the new erecting shop instigated by Beames.
K.J. Cook (219-20) was strongly critical of Bond's statement:
that "The wide variations in mileage at which individual locomotives of the
same class require attention in the works, to which reference has already
been made, clearly preclude the use of average mileage between repairs as
a satisfactory basis for determining when the locomotive should be sent to
the works." That, Mr. Cook, suggested, was an illogical statement. Provided
there were the fundamentals of accuracy of repair and close tolerances, for
which basis accuracy was necessary, then the mileage basis should become
and was the only really logical basis on which to make the preliminary selection.
He was rather perturbed to see that so many engines of certain main line
classes required general or intermediate repair at considerably less than
40,000 miles. He suggested it was due to the fact that there was fundamental
inaccuracy. If the basis particulars of the locomotive were dealt with with
real precision, then if the engine fell down before it ran to within a very
close distance of the specified mileage figure there was obviously some definite
cause. From his own experience he could say that where engines were repaired
with basis accuracy and close tolerances, it had been extraordinary how closely
they ran time and time again and right throughout the classes to their average
mileage. In his view there were at least four reasons, three of which were
quoted in the Paper, that could be put forward to suggest that mIleage was
really the correct guiding basis for repairs. Mr. Bond had referred to the
measure of making good wear and tear, and that measure was the mileage run;
unit cost was expressed as cost per mile, and it is also stated that the
costs of maintenance and mileage between repairs were related to design features
as a guide to future policy and practice. He suggested that that was the
simplest method in which to make the selection and the very first question,
without exception, which was asked by the Shopping Control was: - what was
the mileage since the last repair? If engines were accurately repaired he
suggested that the mileage was the best and simplest method which could be
used. Under "Provision of Spares" the Author stated: "At one works"
he was probably referring to Crewe "where the trouble was particularly
acute, the problem was met by building one spare set of frames complete with
cylinders, dragbox and stretchers for each of three numerically large classes
of locomotive, with outstanding benefit to the progress of repairs at a time
during the late war when every locomotive was needed for traffic." According
to English parlance he did not think that that was" playing cricket," as
it affected days under repair and it did not appear that the argument that
it had, been sound financial policy to provide spares to that extent held
good!
J.F. Harrison (220) mainly
noted that the primary loss in time was through shortage of materials in
the erecting shop.
R.A. Smeddle (220-1) commented on statement (page
181) that the frequency of repairs was governed as much by the mechanical
condition of the locomotive as by the boiler. To some extent it depended,
in his view, on which region of British Railways was being discussed. In
some regions it was found that boilers lasted longer between repairs than
in others. If one was fortunate to obtain a large mileage out of the boilers,
it was almost invariably found that there was trouble with worn tyres, loose
axle boxes, etc., although the latter had to a great extent been cured by
the by the fitting of manganese-steel liners to the boxes. That was proved
on reference to Table IV where a great improvement is shown on Class 4 and
5 engines as a result of the use of manganese-steel liners. If the boiler
would hold out, as apparently it did on regions with water softening, then
it was a great help to securing greater mileage between repairs. On the subject
of mileage, he was interested in Table III where the average mileage from
general repair was said to be 64,268 miles. Surely that was rather low. He
extracted the Western Region's figures and found that the mileage was 80,000
and average time in months from general repair 41. It therefore appeared
that the mileage was slightly lower on some of the other regions. The higher
average on the Western Region might be accounted for by the attempt being
made to put the best into the repair of the engines. He had worked on three
regions, but was not so familiar with the LMS, or Crewe, and in his view
the quality of the repairs at Swindon had a great influence on the mileage
which it was possible to obtain there between general repairs and between
general and intermediate repairs, the mileage between the two being approximately
the same. The statement on page 188 that the smaller the number of days taken
to repair each locomotive, the lower will be the number of engines at the
works was interesting. The aim was, therefore, to complete the repairs in
the shortest possible time. He suggested that it might be better to put it
round the other way and reduce the number of engines in the erecting shops.
That was done at a works with which he was previously associated. Weeks were
being taken to repair the engines so a number were taken out of the shop
and the reduction in the number of days as a result was surprising. With
regard to the staging or belt at Crewe, at Swindon there was similar staging
of repairs. The pits are arranged transversely with a traverser in the middle
and engines were moved to the various positions by means of overhead cranes.
R. Arbuthnott (221-3) from the private locomotive manufacturing
industry commented on the huge improvement wrought by the use of manganese
steel axlebox liners, and asked why they had not become universal, and also
asked what improved boiler boiler and was informed by Bond (230): better
water quality, higher standard of shed maintaenance, and improvements in
design: ample water spaces, larfe radii in the bends of firebox plates and
steel or monel firebox stays.
E.S. Cox (223-5) added very little apart from noting that the use
of manganese steel axlebox liners had increased tyre life and that some modern
designs were excessively complex (he was presumably refering to multiple
cylinders).
H.H. Swift (225) noted that a system of progressive repair had been
introduced at Ashford and that this had led to a 10% improvement in
productivity.
I.C. Forsyth (225-8 (3 illus.) described a welding
repair method adopted at Crewe for fitting a pre-assembled front-end onto
the Princess Royal main frames, which indicated that trouble was
experienced through the cylinders working loose and fracturing..
Dymond, A.W.J. (Paper No. 521)
Operating experience with two gas turbine locomotives. 268-336.
Sixth Ordinary General Meeting of the Session 1952-53 was held at
the Institution of Mechanical Engineers, Storeys Gate, London on Wednesday
18th February 1953 at 5.30 p.m. Mr. C. M. Cock, President, occupying the
Chair.
Brown-Boveri gas turbine locomotive No. 18000 and Metropolitan Vickers locomotive
No. 18100. Discussion: Sir William Stanier (pp. 292-3)
made pertinent remarks on the gas turbine locomotives, and the difficulties
encountered with operating the steam turbine locomotive on the LMS
(reproduced in section on
Stanier)
Journal No. 233
Reed, Brian (Paper No. 522)
Running tests of a 500 h.p. diesel-mechanical locomotive.. 366-97. Disc.:
397-411.
Ninth Ordinary General Meeting held at the Institution of Mechanical
Engineers, London, on Wednesday 15 April 1953, at 5.30 p.m., Mr. C. M. Cock,
President, occupying the Chair.
The losomotive tested was one of two eight-wheel 500 bhp machines built for
Peruvian Corporation for service on the Paita-Piura Railway, a 62-mile line
with short grades of 1 in 29-30 and longer grades of 1 in 35-50, laid almost
entirely without ballast. The specified top speed was 33 m.p.h.; and most
of the freight traffic and the few mixed and passenger trains on this route
were handled by these two 55-ton locomotives, which had been in revenue service
now for a year with satisfaction.
First time a diesel-mechanical locomotive had been dynamometered
in line freight service in United Kingdom and, incidentally, the locomotive
showed the highest sustained drawbar pull recorded in Great Britain up to
that time (October 1951). Measurements with the dynamometer car showed: (a)
that very high drawbar pulls of great steadiness could be maintained at all
speeds; and that up to 3 or 4 m.p.h. factors of adhesion of 3.013.2 to 1
could be maintained with dry unsanded rails; (b) that even under unfavourable
conditions, i.e. with loose-coupled stock, experience enabled gear-changes
to be made with peak or surge pulls no greater than those of steam traction,
and generally with considerably lower surges; (c) that gear-change times,
and fall in tractive effort during those times, were of no practical importance
in normal line work: and (d) that the governing system of the engine and
the engine connection to the wheels prevented slip as normally understood.
Finally, the trials as a whole substantiated claims as to the reliability
of diesel-mechanical locomotives; and, more especially, the extreme consistency
and steadiness of performance under all rail conditions.
Morgan, R.E. (Paper No.523)
The development of the Farnboro electric indicator and its application to
the steam locomotive. 412-21. Disc.: 421-5. 6 diagrs.
Fourth Ordinary General Meeting of the Manchester Centre held at Reynolds
Hall on Thursday 26 February 1953 at 6.30 p.m., the chair being taken by
Mr. D. Patrick.
Also reviews locomotive indicator development in general including mechanical
Indicators, e.g. Dobbie McInnes and Maihak. These indicators are simple in
design and use and lend themselves to easy calibration under static conditions.
They require some form of reducing mechanism, usually in the form of a linkage
system driven from the crosshead, since in most cases the size of the diagram
is only of the order of 3 in. x 1½ in. The pressure measuring element
has appreciable inertia and this can easily lead to spurious effects, especially
at the higher engine speeds. They are usually used for stroke base diagrams,
but are adaptable.
Optical Indicators-Cathode Ray type, e.g. Cossor, Dodds. These indicators
then required "complicated electronic systems" and produced small diagrams.
The inertia effects are negligible and they can be used on either crank angle
or stroke base. In most cases the pressure measuring element is sensible
to changes in temperature and this must be compensated for. This type of
indicator is very suitable for extremely high engine speeds and is chiefly
used for comparative analysis of cylinder events. A high speed cine camera
was often employed when these indicators were in use. Both mechanical and
optical indicators give an indicator diagram for each cycle of events.
The Famboro Electric indicator was simple in design and easy to operate.
It is designed to be driven from the axle or crank shaft of the engine and
the diagrams, 14 in. x 7 in., are usually taken on a time base. The inertia
of the pressure measuring system is negligible even at high engine speeds
and the indicator is quite simple to calibrate.
These indicators give diagrams on either a stroke base or a time base or
both. The stroke base diagram has the major advantage of permitting the easy
computation of i.h.p., but this is really the only thing to be said in its
favour. On the debit side are : the size of the drum, and therefore the diagram,
must be small to reduce inertia effects due to rapid acceleration at high
speeds. Secondly, the diagram is cramped at the ends where the principal
valve events occur, that is, lead, cut-off, release, depending of course
on speed, and a 3 in. diagram does not lend itself to accurate analysis from
this point of view, if the effects of deliberate changes in valve events
are to be analysed.
With the introduction of large scale testing of locomotives by British Railways
after WW2, the problem of the most suitable type of indicator for use on
a steam locomotive had to be decided. Spring and piston indicators of the
Crosby type had been generally employed for indicating trials on the road,
and experiments with cathode ray type indicators had been carried out prior
to the war both by the LNER and LMS, but the results were inconclusive. The
decision reached was that the Farnboro indicator appeared to be the most
suitable and after consultation with Messrs. Dobbie McInnes, manufacturers
of this type of indicator, two of these machines were ordered, one to be
used at Rugby Locomotive Testing Station, the other by the MTUs for
trials on the line.
It must be stated here that the Farnboro indicator was not originally designed
for use on a steam engine, but was principally intended for the indicating
of piston type aero engines, both on the test bed and in flight, but it was
hoped that the special type of pressure element supplied for use on a locomotive
would overcome possible difficulties caused by condensation occurring on
the insulating material used in the element.
The Farnboro system consists essentially of a pressure measuring device and
a machine on which to record that pressure at its appropriate piston position
The pressure measuring device, known as the element
is located in the cylinder cover of the engine being indicated. The element
has a shuttle piston which is subject on one side to cylinder steam pressure
and on the other to a reference air pressure which can be varied as required
by means of a control cock on the indicator. This piston, whose movement
is restricted by electrical contacts, is free to move under the influence
of either air or steam pressure depending on which is the greater of the
two.
Discussion: J. Fore (p. 422) asked how the system was adapted for
four-cylinder locomotives and was informed that in the case of a four-cylinder
engine (8 beats per revolution) the dead centres and therefore the diagrams
would be spaced at approximately 45 of crank angle. When the locomotive
had only 4 beats per revolution then there would be no alternative but to
take two separate cards, and accept the time interval between them, care
being taken to ensure that the boiler pressure and speed remained the same
for each card.
D. Patrick (p. 421) had opened the discussion and received the following
response: the matter of all cylinders being indicated simultaneously was
a most important point in favour of the Farnboro indicator. The diagram for
each cylinder end was formed as had been described earlier, but four or more
elements could be used, each element recording by means of the spark which
punctured the paper the exact point at which the reference air pressure was
balanced by the cylinder steam pressure and its appropriate phase position.
Considering one revolution, each element gave two sparks, then for a two-cylinder
locomotive eight sparks per revolution would be recorded, all on the same
pressure ordinate, but correctly spaced in accordance with the angle between
cranks, and the cut-off of the locomotive concerned.
.
Journal No. 234
Bond, Roland C. (Presidential Address)
Years of transition. 439-63 + 4 folding plates. 15 illus., 7 diagrs.
This address surveys the post 1923 period in broad economic/technological
terms. It reflects the policies of Bond's former chief (Stanier). Bond
examined six experimental locomotives:
1. Armstrong-Ramsay Condensing Turbine Locomotive.
2. Beyer-Ljungstrom Condensing Turbine Locomotive.
3. Schmidt-Henschel High Pressure. LMSR 4-6-0 6399.
4. High pressure compound with water tube boiler. LNER 4-6-4..
5. Non-condensing Turbine Locomotive. LMSR 4-6-2. 6202.
6. Simple expansion 0-6-6-0 "Leader" Class. Southern Rly:
Of these locomotives the most successful was, I think, the LMSR condensing
turbine locomotive No. 6202. It ran 439,931 miles in earning service; and
although fuel economy was limited to that which could result from a reduction
in heat losses compared with a reciprocating engine working between the same
temperature and limits, dynamometer car tests showed a saving in coal consumption
of approximately 7 per cent. Certain mechanical troubles were experienced
and the availability record of the locomotive was not As a result of the
experience gained over a period of 15 years, decided to convert this locomotive
to 4-cylinder simple propulsion...
| Type | Mileage |
| Eastern Region A1 (then almost new) | 93,363 |
| Western Region Castle | 87,424 |
| Eastern Region A4 | 86,614 |
| Southern Region Lord Nelson | 81,611 |
| Western Region King | 78,987 |
| Southern Region Merchant Navy | 75,687 |
| Southern Region West Country | 74,650 |
| London Midland Region Duchess | 73,188 |
| London Midland Region Rebuilt Royal Scot | 70,495 |
| London Midland Region Class 5 4-6-0 | 56,969 |
Micklethwaite, N. (Paper No. 524)
Distribution of fuel on British Railways with regard to coal and coke. 464-73.
Disc.: 474-5.
Fifth Ordinary General Meeting of the North Eastern Centre held at
the Danum Hotel, Doncaster, on 29 January 1953 at 7 p.m., the Chair being
taken by Mr. D.C. Stuart.
Next to wages fuel was by far the greatest expense in the motive power
department. In 1951 coal and all fuels, the vast majority being coal, cost
£38 million as against an overall wage bill in the motive power department
of £45 million. The coal consumed was 13,549,000 tons in all regions,
the Eastern and North Eastern Regions using 2,600,000 and 1,097,000 tons
respectively. These figures were not decreasing and it was therefore our
main aim to keep these costs as low as possible
Compton, J.N. (Paper No. 525)
The design and construction of steel fireboxes. 475-96.
Third Ordinary General Meeting of the North Eastern Centre held at
Great Northern Hotel, Leeds on 10 December 1953 at 6.45 p.m., the Chair being
taken by Mr. J.G. Dickson.
The author probably worked for the Yorkshire Engine Company. Advantages
of copper fireboxes:
(i) Superior conductivity with the result that the rate of heat transfer
is higher than with steel, in spite of the necessity for using a thicker
section.
(ii) Long life: even with water of low alkalinity corrosion is negligible.
(iii) Easy material to work under manufacture and comparatively easy when
repairs by patching are required provided particular skilled labour is
available.
The disadvantages, and therefore the advantages of steel fireboxes more than
outweigh the advantages:
1 . High cost even after setting off higher scrap value.
2. Necessity for riveted construction. Although copper fireboxes have been
constructed by welding, both in Britain and on the continent, it cannot be
said that it is accepted practice, and copper fireboxes continue to be built
by the riveting method. The disadvantages of riveted lap joints are cost
of manufactures, the skill required involving what must be looked upon as
a declining trade and the localised overheating and concentrated stress resulting
in the development of cracks particularly in the region of the caulked
seams.
3. The adoption of steel for fireboxes presents a comparatively simple
fabrication which can be built up by arc welding of butt jointing seams with
comparatively thin plate. Evcn the tube plate need be no thicker than ½
in. for normal steam pressures instead of the specially thickened up copper
tube plates which are nccessary to ensure against tube leakages. It wais
an obvious scqucl to weld the tube to the tube plate. The other plates are
usually only 3/8in. instead of ½ in. necessary for copper,
and therefore the loss due to non-conductivity is reduced considerably, and
there is no discernible disadvantage due to the slight slowing up in the
rate of heat transfcr.
4. The whole steel firebox can be stress relieved after welding and before
insertion in the firebox shell for staying and tubing, and therefore there
should be no inherent high stress.
5. Advantage can be taken with a steel firebox to eliminate the fire hole
ring and even the foundation ring at the junction with which plates frequently
waste, due to local overheating combined with localised stress. For large
fireboxes thermic syphons can be welded in, thereby increasing the heating
surface considerably and providing support to the crown sheet to supplement
the crown staying provided.
6. Where weight is important, a steel firebox and its staying is lighter
than a copper firebox.
7. Maintenance is eased as welding makes repairs by inserting new plates,
a comparatively simple job.
8. One of the main troubles, however, with copper fireboxes is the tendency
for the tube plate to be stretched and pushed upwards by the greater linear
expansion, and particularly by the rolling of tubes. The maintenance staff
are very apt to be the cause of this, when working in a hot firebox, with
the result that the tube plate flange becomes distorted at the top and all
sorts of serious troubles result. Even in the case of large main line boilers,
this trouble has caused cracks in the top flange, particularly with fireboxes
with combustion chambers, and although various methods are adopted to protect
the copper tube plate, the steel tube plate does not suffer from these troubles
and the crown staying is far simpler. Steel boxes are more suitable for direct
crown staying.
9. The life of a steel firebox, provided water conditions are not corrosive
or low in alkalinity, is often nine or ten years, which is half the life
of the boiler. The copper firebox is unlikely to last the life of the boiler
in spite of its longer life. 10. The reduced size of stay consequent upon
the adoption of steel increases flexibility and reduces the obstruction of
the water space, but it is the design of the comparatively short water space
stays in steel which requires a very careful study, and this was considered
at length.
Discussion: C.F. Ryan (494) said that the Author, in listing the advantages
of the steel as opposed to the copper box, had said there was a marked saving
in weight, and also an advantage in delivery. If one could use a higher tensile
steel in this job, one could get a saving by reducing the thickness of the
plate. One of the disadvantages with a screwed stay would be the loss of
strength at the screwed portion, hence it might be possible to use a welded
stay. Another disadvantage would be the corrosion danger, and the speaker
was not actually aware whether there is a steel which would give better corrosion
properties. There is a rustless 40-ton steel which has a higher tensile strength
than the ordinary firebox plate, and equally good welding properties with
the ordinary plate. Provided that the steel had better corrosion resisting
properties than the existing firebox plate stecl, it occurred to the speaker
that it may possibly be a good thing to experiment. He snggested that stainless
steel might he used and hc asked if the Author would comment on the possibilities
of stainless steel fireboxes.
H. M. MacIntyre (494) said that almost 30 years ago he had to take out copper
boxes and change over to steel at the rate of about 4 to 5 per month. With
regard to maintenance, steel boxes were very easily patched, so much so that
when it came to modify numbers of boilers whicn were non-superheated, one
simply cut out a portion of the tube area and welded a new piecc in. With
regard to the thickness of the tubeplate, he agreed that 3/8in. should not
be exceeded. Copper ferrules could be used on the tubes, expanded in the
barrel followed by beading over and welding. He had nevcr thought of turning
the boiler up on its end to weld, and had nevcr filled it with water, and
he had had no complaints. He expressed surprise that no allowances were given
for the tubes in the way of staying the tube plate. He was also surprised
that the illustration did not show the hollow stays.
Vandy, W. (Paper No. 526)
The production of steel wagons. 502-31. Disc.: 531-9. plan, 5 diagrs., 26
illus.
Author was Works Manger, Shildon Wagon Works. Mass production techniques
and widespread use of welding, including development of jigs and automatic
welding machines.Illustrations include an iron ore tippler, coke wagon, hopper
coal wagon, an experimental bulk cement wagon and a bogie iron ore wagon
of the type used to Consett. Discussion: C.A. Gammon (532-3) noted that the
LMS had employed mass production techniques to manufacture timber wagons
from 1923...
Ell, Samuel O. (Paper No. 527)
Developments in locomotive testing. 561-91. Disc.: 591-633; 729-34 + 4 folding
plates. 2 illus., 19 diagrs. Bibliog. .
Illustrated by tests conducted with King class 6001 using
controlled road testing. On page 565: "Then, with respect to the steam rate-power
relation, it was demonstrated that this is the Willans' relation. Every student
of steam should, but usually does not, know Of the fundamental connection
between the indicated steam rate and hypothetical mean effective pressure
for the two conditions of governing by throttle and by cutoff. P.W. Willans,
60 years ago, showed that similar relations held for the practical engine
and the distinctive curves for the two conditions are known by this name.
And of course, it applies to the steam locomotive, though one may search
its literature in vain for a mention of it": see also an Appendix
and Paper by Willans..
Discussion: Stanier (pp 591-2): "A thing which had
puzzled him [Stanier] for a long time, having ridden on many engines, was
whether the right practice was to notch up as soon as possible and have a
full regulator, or whether to let the gear out a bit and ease it on the
regulator" J. Fore (730-1) recorded that an LMS 4F 0-6-0
had been modified at Swindon with an improved blastpipe and chimney and that
on tests on the North Wales main line the maximum continuous steaming rate
had improved from 12,000 to almost 21,000 lb/hr. D. Patrick
(731) asked whether Goodfellow Tips had been evaluated..
Journal No. 236
Tuplin, W.A. (Paper No. 528).
Some questions about the steam locomotive. 637-65. Disc.: 665-714: 1954,
44, 167-73. illus., 10 diagrs. 3 tables.
Most of this paper, including the
monumental, but mainly destructive commentaries by Carling, Ell and Holcroft
are considered on the Tuplin page and are not repeated here. An outsider's
(but a professional engineering outsider) view of locomotive development.
The paper is interesting in that all of Tuplin's views more widely aired
in several books and many magazine articles were subjected to scrutiny by
professional locomotive engineers (thus the response is especially interesting).
Tuplin argued that the extra weight demanded for stronger boiler plates invalidated the "advantage" of adopting higher boiler pressures. The following Tuplin criteria were subjected to Tuplinesque scrutiny by Carling:.
(a) The higher temperature of the water means higher temperatures
in all the main components and this can affect the copper firebox and copper
stays appreciably as that material begins to lose strength as the temperature
rises above about 300°F.
(b) The higher temperature and pressure of the water accelerates any chemical
action of its impurities on the boiler.
(c) The thermal stresses in critical parts of the firebox wall may be increased
by the effect of the greater thickness.
A key feature of Tuplin's paper, and one debunked by Ell was Table III best speed ranges on page 647 wherein the best speed range in terms of boiler/cylinder capacity and the best speed for valve performance were listed together with their overlap if any: there was alleged to be none for the GCR Director class, and only the range 50-59 for the King class: the latter was clearly perceived as a red flag by a bull by Ell!
Two cylinder designs were advocated as against the use of multiple cylinders: if multiple cylinders were adopted then he favoured the layout employed on the B16/2. Favoured narrow fireboxes and the absence of trailing axles. Cited Goss (this got him into a lot of trouble) to advocate the use of simple front ends as aginst multiple blastpipes and chimneys. He made a number of comments on the ergonomics of cabs and the operation of firehole doors.
Discussion: H. Holcroft (665-8) opened the
discussion and on page 666 (when well into his response) Holcroft noted that:
"In the Paper much prominence was given to thermal efficiency per se.
To the locomotive engineer, however, thermal efficiency was only one factor
of many and it had to be considered with due regard to all the others which
went towards the making of optimum power. It might well be
that in the end some sacrifice of thermal efficiency could be beneficial
in producing the most suitable motive power unit. Holcroft was highly critical
of Tuplin's assertions concerning low boiler pressures: "such engines were
amiable and reliable machines but most lethargic" Holcroft was also highly
critical of Tuplin's observations on firing methods, on superheaters, and
on lost motion in valve gear due to excesssive clearances (and cited his
own measurements to show that was not the case).
C.C.H. Wade (668) commented on firing techniques and the limits of
endurance for firemen.
R.G. da Costa (668-71) was highly critical of Tuplin's observations
on superheating, and in particular Tuplin's attempt to relate grate area
to superheater surface and temperature; Tuplin's interpretation of Goss's
observations on unconventional valve gear which da Costa considered had been
made prior to what da Costa stated were "substantial improvements" in the
design of valve gear, especially in poppet valves.
S.O. Ell (671-4) see Tuplin page.
Pelham Maitland (674) recorded that in a large number of instances
where the boiler pressure had been raised there had been an immediate and,
in aggregate, appreciable saving in coal consumption. On firing engines with
wide fireboxes, the technique of firing to the four corners of the firebox
and little elsewhere produced one outstanding feature. It tended to the more
thorough combustion of the coal than otherwise would be possible, because
the draught did not tear the fire to anything like the same extent as with
a narrow firebox. That was a feature on which he would like the Author's
comments-the tearing of the fire in a narrow firebox as compared with a wide
firebox.
A. Hood (674-6) noted that Tuplin queried whether boiler designers
set themselves targets regarding weight per unit of heating surface. So far
as the private builder is concerned the answer was an unqualified affirmative
inasmuch as the weight limitations imposed by the clients' specification
set the target. Only those closely acquainted with the subject appreciate
fully what these limitations mean, particularly when restrictions are placed
on the. weight per foot run of wheel base as well as on axle loading. In
the remarks on fireboxes Tuplin made no comment on firebox volume: it has
been argued that much of the merit of the narrow box is derived from the
ratio of volume to grate area being good, and the more general adoption of
the combustion chamber seems to substantiate this. In fact it has been claimed
that the narrow box is practically the ideal shape when dealing with oil-fired
locomotives.
With regard to the comparisons of boiler weights, as given in Table 1, it may be suggested that a much more equitable basis of comparison might be to make this in terms of evaporation per hour from the various boilers. This would bring into play the division of the heating surface between the firebox and tubes. Such a comparison might be made either on the basis of any agreed rate of evaporation from the firebox and tubes or preferably on the basis of the recently published data on locomotive testing issued by British Railways.
The comparisons. made in the Paper are only fair if the locomotives are designed to the same ratios of fireboxes and tube surface. In a recent locomotive built in this country for overseas the total evaporative heating surface is in fact less than in a previous design, and the tube heating surface is some 4% less, yet the new design has permitted an increase of 40% in the firebox heating surface.
The concepts of "nominal speed," "specific speed" and " specific. effort" are highly interesting, but whether there will be general agreement with the conclusions which Tuplin derives from his analysis is open to question. Nevertheless, the argument put forward is worthy of close study.
There is probably no more debatable point in locomotive design than front end proportions, and also nothing which can so influence the performance of the locomotive in service, yet it would still seem that the only guide is experience based on previous designs, for despite the fact that the American Master Mechanics' proportions have been known for many years, it would seem that even in the USA there was nothing really standardised, at least tliat is the conclusion arrived at after studying the results of the front end experiments made in the University of Illinois, and Johnson seems to confirm this in his book on the Steam Locomotive.
While the Author's criticism of the 4-6-2 type on the basis of weight transfer may, perhaps, bear analysis for locomotives on British Railways, it cannot be applied to locomotives for railways where the permissible axle load is a limiting factor. Would the Author. faced with the problem of providing for a large boiler on a passenger locomotive, prefer to use a 4-8-0 with all it involves in the way of extra rods and resistance in preference to a 4-6-2 if the 6-coupled engine gives all the ,adhesion necessary? , As regards mechanisms one can readily agree with Dr. Tuplin when he says" the less of it the better," so why not go all the way and adopt servo motors which would put the steam locomotive driver on a par with his opposite number on other forms of power? .
The Author had referred to ash chutes for smokeboxes. Two past applications of this idea sprang to mind. Paget's 2-6-2 engine of 1907 had used such a chute, sealed at the top by a simple flat-seated plug held by its own weight in the top of the chute and with a long-lifting handle. Even simpler was the device used by F. W. Webb on his" Precedent" and 3-cylinder compound passenger engines, consisting of a chute tapering down to a rectangular hole about 6 in.x 2 in. quite open to the atmosphere! No attempt at sealing was made, but the front plate of the hopper was extended some inches below the back plate and turned over to give a crude ejector action due to the air stream when running forwards. He was not aware of any complaints of the steaming of the" Precedents," but would be reluctant to see such a device applied to modern locomotives!
He felt he must join issue with the Author on the subject of regulator operating mechanism. Whatever -the torque might be on the shaft to operate the regulator, the pull at the cab to overcome it would, of course, be the same if the mechanical advantage of tire existing and proposed linkages were the same. However, the weight of the operating rods alone on the" Britannia" boiler was of the order of 70 lb., and in view of the damage caused to them by cleaners standing on them, etc., he did not see that they could be lightened satisfactorily. Did the Author seriously suggest that the direct pull necessary to a~celerate this mass in opening the regulator would permit anything approaching the present sensitivity? He thought the Author should be copdemned to an eight-hour shift shunting with an .engine so fitted! In conclusion, he felt that drivers would rebel at the Author's suggestion to bring the cab window back close to where they sat. One thing that was very necessary in case of emergency was complete freedom of movement in the cab, and criticisms of the BR standard cab layout which had been voiced dealt with the driver's sense of being" boxed in " by the grouping of controls round him. With the proposed arrangement, the driver would be risking his skull even to tie his bootlaces!
Mr. P. R. Saunders (678-9) wrote that the Author pointed out that a 4-6-0 locomotive, partic,ularly one with a high drawbar, would be better in some circumstances, such as starting on an up gradient or on an irregular track, than a 4-6-2 of similar nominal adhesion. The implication of this part of his Paper was, he assumed, that it was sometimes preferable on this account, to build a 4-6-0 rather than a 4-6-2, both engines having the same weight for adhesion. He would suggest, however, that 4-6-2's were only built when it was absolutely necessary from a consideration of the work required of the locomotive in other circumstances. The 4-6-2, with a larger firebox and boiler, would have a superior performance at speed, when maximum adhesion was not required, and may yet have a greater availability. In any case, Professor Tuplin's calculation of the weight transfer that took place would appear to be in some error. Since the coupled wheels were separately sprung, and the trailing axle had greater loading than the leading axle, this weight distribution among the coupled wheels exerted a levelling moment on the frame which was neglected when only the overall transfer of weight from the bogie wheels was considered. A calculation, taking that into account, showed that the transfer from idle to coupled wheels for a BR Class 5, 4-6-0 when the drawbar pull was 12 tons at 3½ ft. above" rail level was less than 1¾ tons, rather than 2½ tons.
W.O. Skeat (679-81 written communication) see Tuplin page
M.A. Henstock (693) argued that the reserve available with higher pressures was appreciated by the footplate crews; he noted that the LMS used nickel steel for some its boiler plates to reduce weight; he commented on eddy currents above the brick arch; and noted the problem associated with short connecting rods: heated bearings and crosshead wear. He did not understand the criticism about the" Patriots" and the" Royal Scots," they certainly have the same wheel diameter and cylinder sizes, but the tractive efforts were far from comparable, the first being 26,520 lb. and the latter 33,150 lb. This seemed a very big difference by which to compare a locomotive. The L.M. Region 2-6-0 Class 5, parallel boiler engine with a pressure of 180 lb./sq. in. and tractive effort of 26,580 lb. could be compared with the 2-6-0 Taper Bqiler Class 5 which bad a tractive effort of 26,288 lb., these two locomotives were, in his opinion, far more comparable to bring out the points that the Author was trying to make. Regarding the diagram showing the fire hole door, as he did not understand how it worked he asked if the Author would be good enough to give an explanation.The inward opening door was not a new idea. All the former L & Y Rly. engines had inward opening" flap" doors and one of the main disadvantages was the frequent renewal of this type of flap which burnt away very rapidly.
The diagrams of the regulator operating rod reminded him of what all designers should avoid, a "one view" scheme. The arrangement shQwnin the elevation looked no doubt feasible, but if the plan view of the boiler and rod had been shown a different picture would present itself, due to the rod having to pass the widest part of the firebox and 'be straight in the plan, t~e shaft at the multiple valve header would have to be extended considerably to line up the lever with the operating rod; this overhang was very undesirable on account of wear taking place and causing the gland packing to leak even more than at present.
The load required to open the pilot valve was 250 pounds and by the existing arrangement there was 'no chance of the rods being moved by anyone or anything from outside the cab.
If the Author's scheme could even be adopted, the chances were that this could result in the regulator being opened other than by using the handle in the cab, which would be very undesirable, especially when the engine was being serviced at the sheds, due to the possibility of the regulator being opened by some unauthorised person, cleaner, etc.
The Author unfortunately had not given anything concrete on which the designer could base a design for the smokebox; the diagram of smokebox proportions was like most, it fell short of giving the blast pipe cap diameter, or anything on which to base it for a given locomotive, the distance from the tubeplate and also the height below the centre line of the smokebox; these were the figures the designer had to search for, and how elusive they were.
D.R. Carling (694-8) see Tuplin page.
W.G.F. Thorley (698-9) noted that Tuplin stated that the object of superheating was to ensure that, despite the drop in temperature of the steam as it expanded in the cylinder, it did not become saturated. Could it not be said also that the superheater provided also a valuable addition to boiler steaming capacity inasmuch as the volume of steam was increased by its use? It would be recalled that the first two "Princess" class Pacific locomotives of the former LMS Railway had 32-element superheaters fitted in place of the original 16-element apparatus after only a short period of service, and the steaming was improved thereby. The Author had said in the discussion that the firebox volume was increased at the same time as the additional superheating surface was provided and therefore the value of the latter could not be assessed accurately, but in this connection it was pointed out that the number of elements had been increased without increase of firebox volume in both the Classes 5MT and 5XP locomotives of the same railway, as 'compared with the original arrangement and the steaming had been improved. The superheater had the advantage that, provided the flue tubes were kept reasonably clean, its efficiency remained unimpaired as the boiler scaled up internally; also it was sometimes able to evaporate water during periods of priming, which would be carried over into the cylinders of a saturated engine.
The Author recommended a 3-cylinder engine having the inside mechanism as readily accessible as that of the two outside cylinders and the B16/2 4-6-0 Class of the former LNER was instanced as an engine which nearly gave the desired feature of being able to be prepared without the use of a pit. It appeared, however, that in these circumstances the driver would have to pass between the trailing bogie wheels and the leading coupled wheels to gain access to some of the inside oiling points and this was a practice which could not be officially countenanced.
Mr. Thorley considered that the Western Region practice of lifting the flap plate between the application of each shovelful of coal, as mentioned under "Firebox" in the Paper, was brought about more by force of circumstances rather than by any conviction of the enginemen that it was the correct thing to do. Whilst such an attitude of mind on the part of the latter was a very good thing to encourage, the fact remained that if an engine would steam freely with the flap remaining down between consecutive shovelsful, then the flap remained down.
Meeting in Glasgow, 26 January 1954: A. Hood: (704-5): noted that the first Merchant Navy class boiler was designed and built in Glasgow, and at the request of the customer a second edition of the boiler was designed and constructed which proved to be approximately 2 tons lighter than its predecessor. This was a typical example of the designer's art which reduced the weight of the boiler yet maintained its original output. J. Campbell (705) emphasised that higher boiler pressures provided "ample reserve capacity. Considered that the inertia effect in valve gears noted by Tuplin could be used as an argument against conjugated valve gears. E.F. Clark (706-7) N. McKillop (707-8) noted that "the difference in performance was fantastic" with the higher boiler pressure Gresley Pacifics (A1 to A3) and "very much less coal was burned".
Meeting in Newcastle-on-Tyne, 24 February
1954. F. Johnson (712) noted that lower pressure boilers
required a higher weight of water. C.H. Swan (712) noted
that the B16 class little end bushes had a short life due to the short connecting
rods. He also considered that Tuplin had advocated many former NER features:
inward opening firehole doors (the Blades firehole door); inward opening
cab windows, and the Raven fog signalling apparatus!
General Meeting of the North Eastern Centre held at the Great Northern
Hotel, Leeds, on Thursday 11th February 1954 at 6.45 p.m., the Chair being
taken by Mr. J. G. Dickson. The Minutes of the Meeting held on 7th January
1954, were read, approved, and signed as correct. The Chairman then introduced
Professor W. A. Tuplin, D.Sc., M.1,Mech.E. (Associate), who read his Paper,
entitled Some Que-tio ns About the Steam Locomotive
De Sousa, C.H. (Paper No. 529)
The design of Indian Railways passenger coaching stock for greater comfort.
715-24.
The principal conditions which militated against comfortable travel
in India were: climate, dust, noise, inadequate accommodation and lack of
amenities,, and by implication the misuse of such amenities, notably wash
basins and lavatories. The author considered that insufficient attention
had been paid to the Indian's wish to sit with their feet tucked up.